------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Devious To: All Subject: ... Date: Fri Jun 13 19:38:11 CDT 1997 Message number: 1 Reply to message number: unavailable A very long time ago, I was interested in Norse. That was way before I was introduced to Paganism by New Moon Rising BBS... I read a book on Norse magic titled "Norse Magick" (sp?). Within the book it was saying that Norse was based on Wiccan culture, if I remember correctly. Isn't Norse suppose to be one of the FIRST cultures known to man though and wouldn't have Wiccan come after the Norse? Because if I also understand this correctly, it was more as ofa chain of religions. Norse started out there first (so which means that it couldn't have taken any of the Wiccan characteristics, until later on!), then came Paganism, which evolved from Norse, than the Wiccan culture evoloved off of Paganism. Please help me correct the book if I am right, and let me know if I am wrong and in what way so I may correct myself. The book was publised by llewynlel (sp?) books in St. Paul. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Inner Sanctum [612]552-8169! Pagan Support Board! (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Devious To: All Subject: ... Date: Fri Jun 13 19:38:12 CDT 1997 Message number: 2 Reply to message number: unavailable I was just bored and wanted to share some of my knowledge on Odin and such! So here is the stuff .... =) Odin, he hung himself on top of the tree for 9 days and 9 nights. He gave an eye, his right eye to be exact ... as a gift to show that he was the allfather. He could do anything. But, he did a thing of stupidity to himself, which back then, it meant that he was brave and willing to sacrifice himself. He took his spear and stuck it through his stomach area.... He had two ravens, "Greed," and the other which I cannot recall. He had other animals as well which walked beside him everyday ... He was protected, he gave protection, most of all ... he was able to stand up for himself in any kind of fearsome battle or problem... He was a god, father of all... He had power. He was fearless! Okay, there ye' have it! I couldn't recall a lot of the information, and some may have been mispronounced and mis understood, so correct me on this if you need to as well =). Bright and Merry Blessings! -Devious --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Inner Sanctum [612]552-8169! Pagan Support Board! (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THROCKMORTON To: DEVIOUS Subject: ... Date: Tue Jun 17 12:15:50 CDT 1997 Message number: 3 Reply to message number: unavailable >magic titled "Norse Magick" (sp?). Within the book it was saying that Norse >was based on Wiccan culture, if I remember correctly. Isn't Norse suppose t >be one of the FIRST cultures known to man though and wouldn't have Wiccan >come after the Norse? Because if I also understand this correctly, it was What was the time frame of the Wiccan culture? The flowering of the Norse culture was about 800 to 1000 AD. I think the roots of Wicca are slightly before that. --- þ OLX 1.53 þ Misspelled? Impossible. My modem is error correcting. --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Dissent: Polit/X-Writing-Philosophy (612)432-8870 (13:612/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THROCKMORTON To: DEVIOUS Subject: ... Date: Tue Jun 17 12:15:51 CDT 1997 Message number: 4 Reply to message number: unavailable D> He had two ravens, "Greed," and the other which I cannot recall. He had >other animals as well which walked beside him everyday ... He was protected The ravens were Hugin and Muninn, translated to thought and memory. --- þ OLX 1.53 þ People say I'm indecisive. Am I? I don't know. --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Dissent: Polit/X-Writing-Philosophy (612)432-8870 (13:612/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Devious To: Throckmorton Subject: Re: ... Date: Tue Jun 17 13:06:42 CDT 1997 Message number: 5 Reply to message number: unavailable T> What was the time frame of the Wiccan culture? The flowering of the T> Norse culture was about 800 to 1000 AD. I think the roots of Wicca are T> slightly before that. Hmm... I cannot recall ... I will see in just a bit and post it. Well, I get em mixed up. It was paganism that was around before all ... The oldest religion which that Wiccan evolved from ... Will look back at this. Now that you mention it .... I feel confused %-O Blessed Be! -Devious --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Path Is Chosen - Inner Sanctum! [612] 552-8169 (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Devious To: Throckmorton Subject: Re: ... Date: Tue Jun 17 13:06:43 CDT 1997 Message number: 6 Reply to message number: unavailable T> The ravens were Hugin and Muninn, translated to thought and memory. Well, was one of them nick named Greed? That was what I have learned from my studies... Blessed Be! -Devious --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Path Is Chosen - Inner Sanctum! [612] 552-8169 (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Devious To: Throckmorton Subject: Re: ... Date: Tue Jun 17 13:06:44 CDT 1997 Message number: 7 Reply to message number: unavailable By the way ... You study any celtic myths? I would be interested in hearing more ... I have not read up on many, but am interested iif you can share =) Blessed Be! -Devious --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Path Is Chosen - Inner Sanctum! [612] 552-8169 (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THROCKMORTON To: DEVIOUS Subject: Re: ... Date: Mon Jun 23 13:09:33 CDT 1997 Message number: 8 Reply to message number: unavailable D>T> The ravens were Hugin and Muninn, translated to thought and memory. D>Well, was one of them nick named Greed? That was what I have learned from m >studies... Your comment was the first I ever heard of one of the ravens being nicknamed Greed. Thought and Memory seem to fit as names though, because what I learned of Norse mythology was that Odin gave up one of his eyes for wisdom. --- þ OLX 1.53 þ I have coffee, I have cigarettes. Life is good. --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Dissent: Polit/X-Writing-Philosophy (612)432-8870 (13:612/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THROCKMORTON To: DEVIOUS Subject: Re: ... Date: Mon Jun 23 13:09:34 CDT 1997 Message number: 9 Reply to message number: unavailable D>By the way ... You study any celtic myths? I would be interested in hearin >more ... I have not read up on many, but am interested iif you can share =) Know nothing about Celtic mythology. What little I know about Norse is from reading some histories of the Vikings. If you want I can try to dig up some more information on Norse mythology. --- þ OLX 1.53 þ Appreciate me now, and avoid the rush --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Dissent: Polit/X-Writing-Philosophy (612)432-8870 (13:612/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BADLANDS To: ... Subject: ... Date: Fri Aug 08 20:38:38 CDT 1997 Message number: 10 Reply to message number: unavailable for Celtic 'mythology', look up Boadicea, the legendary leader of the Celts versus the Anglos... (that's an englishized version of her name...) --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Dissent: Polit/X-Writing-Philosophy (612)432-8870 (13:612/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TEMP To: Badlands Subject: Re: ... Date: Sat Aug 09 06:59:45 CDT 1997 Message number: 11 Reply to message number: 10 how did the celtic knots get to Turkey, and when? Are they just sculptures in admiration of older forms or are they expressions of a very very old bunch of folk who lived in Turkey? --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Dissent: Polit/X-Writing-Philosophy (612)432-8870 (13:612/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THROCKMORTON To: BADLANDS Subject: ... Date: Sun Aug 10 08:17:32 CDT 1997 Message number: 12 Reply to message number: unavailable B>for Celtic 'mythology', look up Boadicea, the legendary leader of the Celts >versus the Anglos... (that's an englishized version of her name...) She was an actual person. Fought against the Romans in the First century C.E. --- þ OLX 1.53 þ Your E-Mail has been returned due to insufficient voltage --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Dissent: Polit/X-Writing-Philosophy (612)432-8870 (13:612/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BADLANDS To: Throckmorton Subject: . Date: Thu Aug 21 22:17:35 CDT 1997 Message number: 13 Reply to message number: 12 T> She was an actual person. Fought against the Romans in the First T> century C.E. Indeed. What I meant was the 'mythological' aspects of her character and actions... details having been lost through the millenia... --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Dissent: Polit/X-Writing-Philosophy (612)432-8870 (13:612/2)