------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Devious To: All Subject: ... Date: Fri Jun 13 19:38:05 CDT 1997 Message number: 1 Reply to message number: unavailable Why does it seem that our astro signs have so much to do with where our lifes lead us? When did the astro signs first appear and would you happen to know "WHO" thought of them, their names as well as their symbol? I have been wondering that for quite some time now. I haven't done tarot for quite some time, but as I remember correctly, you can do horoscopes with them. Has anyone done tarot for a horoscope reason, etc ... and actually have that horoscope come out to what the tarot said on that day it was told to be? Please inform me on this one =). I am greatly interested... --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Inner Sanctum [612]552-8169! Pagan Support Board! (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hacker To: All Subject: ... Date: Fri Jun 13 19:38:06 CDT 1997 Message number: 2 Reply to message number: unavailable Just wanted to reply to your Question. Yes I have and It has come out perfectly. I do my readings every morning before I get outta bed, just so I know what to expect through out the day. If you have more questions please feel free to ask. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Inner Sanctum [612]552-8169! Pagan Support Board! (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Devious To: All Subject: ... Date: Fri Jun 13 19:38:07 CDT 1997 Message number: 3 Reply to message number: unavailable Hello Hacker! :) (At least you wrote "A MESSAGE" on this board. heh) H> Just wanted to reply to your Question. Yes I have and It has come out Thanx, I needed a reply to know the board is NOT DEAD! :) H> perfectly. I do my readings every morning before I get outta bed, just so So, why ... why do you do your readings every day? Wouldn't it be best to do the readings the day before .... during the night when the moon is out and the night sky is out? Just the outcome may/maynot come out much better than it does during the morning ... because the moon isn't out at 5-6am =) H> know what to expect through out the day. If you have more questions please H> feel free to ask. Sure will... Since you seem to know something on the topic... hehe. I mean, wow, no one calls here who knows anything on the topic. I miss having Akasha, Wyldr, Astral Wolf, Shadow, Eran, Gemini, Twist, and many others from the other Pagan related boards on here... it was a blast with New Moon Rising when Shadow ran it.... Bright and Merry Blessings! -Devious --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Inner Sanctum [612]552-8169! Pagan Support Board! (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hacker To: Devious Subject: Re: ... Date: Fri Jun 13 19:38:08 CDT 1997 Message number: 4 Reply to message number: unavailable Maybe I should elaborate, I get up around 10:30-11:00pm. so I do my readings when the moon is out. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Inner Sanctum [612]552-8169! Pagan Support Board! (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Devious To: Hacker Subject: Re: ... Date: Fri Jun 13 19:38:09 CDT 1997 Message number: 5 Reply to message number: unavailable H> Maybe I should elaborate, I get up around 10:30-11:00pm. so I do my readings H> when the moon is out. You said in the "morning", not late at night =) hehe --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Inner Sanctum [612]552-8169! Pagan Support Board! (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hacker To: Devious Subject: Re: ... Date: Fri Jun 13 19:38:10 CDT 1997 Message number: 6 Reply to message number: unavailable that is the morning for me...each of us have our own percetion of what we consider time. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Inner Sanctum [612]552-8169! Pagan Support Board! (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Devious To: Hacker Subject: Re: ... Date: Fri Jun 13 19:38:11 CDT 1997 Message number: 7 Reply to message number: unavailable H> that is the morning for me...each of us have our own percetion of what we H> consider time. But ya know what. Everyone has considered morning for quite some time the ever waking up period... Yeah, you all have your own perception of time, but I mean, you can't just go change and say this is now morning and this is now night without the power of a GOD BEING! :) heheh. Just a little of mine input for ya! Blessings! -devious --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Inner Sanctum [612]552-8169! Pagan Support Board! (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hacker To: Devious Subject: Re: ... Date: Fri Jun 13 19:38:12 CDT 1997 Message number: 8 Reply to message number: unavailable Sure I can, I've invoked the spirt. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Inner Sanctum [612]552-8169! Pagan Support Board! (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Devious To: Hacker Subject: Re: ... Date: Fri Jun 13 19:38:13 CDT 1997 Message number: 9 Reply to message number: unavailable H> Sure I can, I've invoked the spirt. What is YOUR definition of invoking the spirit? What was the feelness? Good, Bad? How did it feel? Please, need to get some conversation going on here! :) Blessings! -devious --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Inner Sanctum [612]552-8169! Pagan Support Board! (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Devious Subject: Re: ... Date: Sat Jun 14 15:04:33 CDT 1997 Message number: 10 Reply to message number: 1 D> Why does it seem that our astro signs have so much to do with where our D> lifes lead us? When did the astro signs first appear and would you happen t D> know "WHO" thought of them, their names as well as their symbol? Most of the basic astrological data was codified by a (Roman?) named Ptolemy around 1 AD. While primitive astrology is almost as old as man himself, it was not a very strict dicsipline until the turn of the millenium. As much as some professionals might look down on it, there are two excellent Astrology programs available here on Dissent: Astro for printable text-based charts, and Astromart for a great color graph. --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Dissent: Polit/X-Writing-Philosophy (612)432-8870 (13:612/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hacker To: Devious Subject: Re: ... Date: Sat Jun 14 21:45:20 CDT 1997 Message number: 11 Reply to message number: unavailable Well let's see, I invoked him as one would invoke anything. You call upon it and ask it to enter you, fill you up, make all better. And the feelings and emotions felt thereafter if done correctly were and are wonderful. you just get these waves of awareness coming upon you things you couldn't have dreamed of even existing, being opened before your eyes. You see everything clearer than you could've ever imagined. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Path Is Chosen - Inner Sanctum! [612] 552-8169 (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Devious To: Hacker Subject: Re: ... Date: Sat Jun 14 21:45:21 CDT 1997 Message number: 12 Reply to message number: unavailable H> Well let's see, I invoked him as one would invoke anything. You call upon i H> and ask it to enter you, fill you up, make all better. And the feelings and H> emotions felt thereafter if done correctly were and are wonderful. you just H> get these waves of awareness coming upon you things you couldn't have dreame H> of even existing, being opened before your eyes. You see everything clearer H> than you could've ever imagined. A few words. I don't want to say what I would ... but here is something else! You have been watching "The Craft" to much lately, I think you better lay down and read a few good books based on magick and old religions and such. hahaha. That is what came from "The Craft", not from you. Cause that right there speaks for the craft and I myself haven't invoked the spirit, but guess what, I can tell ya this right off the bat.. that came from "the craft", each and every word. they thought the same thing, and well ... you will learn. wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong! :) haha --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Path Is Chosen - Inner Sanctum! [612] 552-8169 (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DEVIOUS To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: ... Date: Sun Jun 15 16:02:06 CDT 1997 Message number: 13 Reply to message number: 10 DR> Most of the basic astrological data was codified by a (Roman?) named Ptole DR> around 1 AD. While primitive astrology is almost as old as man himself, it DR> not a very strict dicsipline until the turn of the millenium. Thanx for the input... =) I appreciate that.. Daedalus, where ever did you become so smart? DR> As much as some professionals might look down on it, there are two excelle DR> Astrology programs available here on Dissent: Astro for printable text-base DR> charts, and Astromart for a great color graph. Have em both off of another board =) hehe. Thanx anyways... Sorry I did not respond before now. Teebo's PKZIP.EXE for some reason is giving me bad crc tables and such so I cannot get the mail off dissent on my board =(.. Fix that or switch compression teebo... =) --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Dissent: Polit/X-Writing-Philosophy (612)432-8870 (13:612/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: P’€’¥ To: Devious Subject: Re: ... Date: Mon Jun 16 00:12:11 CDT 1997 Message number: 14 Reply to message number: unavailable Could it be that the feelings are the same? due to the fact that we are invoking the same thing? now I haven't seen the Craft yet, but have heard it's good. so sorry to disallusion(sp) you.... --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Path Is Chosen - Inner Sanctum! [612] 552-8169 (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Devious To: P’€’¥ Subject: Re: ... Date: Mon Jun 16 13:41:03 CDT 1997 Message number: 15 Reply to message number: unavailable P> Could it be that the feelings are the same? due to the fact that we are P> invoking the same thing? now I haven't seen the Craft yet, but have heard it P> good. so sorry to disallusion(sp) you.... I wouldn't know ... I cannot be two at once to see if it is the same for the both of us =) The same thing at different times is different though ... If you think about it ... Yourself is not always to remain the same throughout the life of your soul. You will change and be different all the time .. Whether it is different form .. or just a different attitude . =) The Craft isn't all that good ... I have seen better! Just talking about it makes me SICK! They did use some correct terms in the movie, but the illusion parts were ridculous. Why show and say a witch can do something they cannot? You'd have to have some other sort of energy to release in the air at a fast pace in order to make someone see theirselves as a distorted figure ... =) heh. Blessed Be! -Devious --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Path Is Chosen - Inner Sanctum! [612] 552-8169 (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: P’€’¥ To: Devious Subject: Re: ... Date: Mon Jun 16 18:05:48 CDT 1997 Message number: 16 Reply to message number: unavailable Well I really only wanted to see the movie for the actresses who are in it..=) umm so if that one wasn't very good. why not recomend some that are? Until then-TTFN! P’€’¥ --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Path Is Chosen - Inner Sanctum! [612] 552-8169 (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: COSIMA To: Devious Subject: Re: ... Date: Mon Jun 16 20:05:36 CDT 1997 Message number: 17 Reply to message number: 1 D> I haven't done tarot for quite some time, but as I remember correctly, y D> can do horoscopes with them. Has anyone done tarot for a horoscope reason, D> etc ... and actually have that horoscope come out to what the tarot said on D> that day it was told to be? Please inform me on this one =). I am greatly D> interested... * some of the tarot books i've read have spreads that correspond to the 12 houses of the zodiac, but it's still, in my opinion, determined by how specific a question a person asks. -=c=- --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Dissent: Polit/X-Writing-Philosophy (612)432-8870 (13:612/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Devious To: Cosima Subject: Re: ... Date: Mon Jun 16 20:45:08 CDT 1997 Message number: 18 Reply to message number: unavailable C> some of the tarot books i've read have spreads that correspond to the 12 C> houses of the zodiac, but it's still, in my opinion, determined by how C> specific a question a person asks. yes. that is true ... i believe it the same way, because if someone just goes "what is going to happen in the future with me?" well, the outcome will be much harder to interpret. =) --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Path Is Chosen - Inner Sanctum! [612] 552-8169 (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Desiree To: Hacker Subject: Re: ... Date: Tue Jun 17 09:56:50 CDT 1997 Message number: 19 Reply to message number: unavailable how do you do it? --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Path Is Chosen - Inner Sanctum! [612] 552-8169 (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Devious To: Desiree Subject: Re: ... Date: Tue Jun 17 10:19:49 CDT 1997 Message number: 20 Reply to message number: unavailable D> how do you do it? Hey ... To make it so they understand what you are mentioning that about .. press "/q" to quote in the message editor. It makes it easier for them to respond ... =) --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Path Is Chosen - Inner Sanctum! [612] 552-8169 (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SANDMAN To: ALL Subject: Tarot Date: Tue Jun 17 12:25:15 CDT 1997 Message number: 21 Reply to message number: unavailable While searching for another text file (in my archives) I came across a file on tarot. Ä Area: Skeptic ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Msg#: 107 Date: 03-31-97 10:56 From: Sheppard Gordon Read: Yes Replied: No To: All Mark: Subj: History of the Tarot 1/2 ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Cards On The Table 03/30/97 The Washington Post A WICKED PACK OF CARDS The Origins of the Occult Tarot By Ronald Decker, Thierry Depaulis And Michael Dummett St. Martin's. 308 pp. $29.95 ELIPHAS LEVI, perhaps the most famous 19th-century practitioner of the "high science" of magic, once suggested that "an imprisoned person with no other book than the Tarot, if he knew how to use it, could in a few years acquire universal knowledge." Little wonder then that Madame Sosostris, the fortune-teller of T.S. Eliot's The Waste Land, was known to be "the wisest woman in Europe, with a wicked pack of cards." That wicked pack -- Eliot makes clear he means the Tarot by mentioning the Hanged Man and the Wheel of Fortune -- obviously granted this "famous clairvoyante" esoteric knowledge as well as divinatory power. But why does Levi refer to the Tarot as a book? In part, of course, because one must learn to read the cards and their meanings -- but also because it was commonly believed that the Tarot represented "the Book of Thoth," a body of ancient Egyptian wisdom that had been reworked into a game to ensure its survival over the centuries as well as to disguise the tremendous power immanent in the strange, even troubling images. The Magician, the Fool, the Hierophant, the Tower Destroyed by Lightning -- what could these mean? Some adepts believed that the Tarot had been preserved by the Gypsies, who had brought the cards with them when this restless people first appeared in western Europe in 1417. Others, starting with Levi, detected a meaningful correlation between the 22 picture cards of the major arcana and the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet; clearly the "greater trumps" were linked to Jewish Cabalism. More "modern" thinkers maintained that the complete deck of 78 cards contained exact astronomical knowledge, could we but decipher it. For most people, though, the Tarot was simply a means of fortune-telling, either for fun or profit. A Wicked Pack of Cards, by three well known authorities on the history of playing cards in general and the Tarot in particular, is the first of two volumes examining the evolution of an idea: How an Italian deck, used to play a trick-taking game called Tarocco, gradually became the "only ingredient that has been added, since Renaissance times, to the western esoteric tradition." This first volume covers the years up till the end of the 19th century, and concentrates entirely on French figures; a second volume will take up the spread of the occult Tarot to English-speaking countries through such groups as the Order of the Golden Dawn and such interpreters as Aleister Crowley -- "the Great Beast" and creator of the Thoth Tarot, a pack suffused with swirling sexual imagery. Decker, Depaulis and Dummett, it should be emphasized, are no believers in the power of the cards. They're historians, truth-seekers of another sort than the Rosicrucians and Masons: They aim to set the record straight, and so they reiterate periodically that ancient wisdom or magical powers have simply been read into these Italian Renaissance cards. This approach makes their book a little drier than it might be, but the more trustworthy as a result. Its style -- the consequence of three-man authorship?-- also reads somewhat stiffly, at times like a translation. Nevertheless, A Wicked Pack of Cards proves an excellent, if slightly stodgy companion to Ruth Brandon's The Spiritualists and Peter Washington's enthralling account of the Theosophical Society, Madame Blavatsky's Baboon. Ordinary playing cards, imported from the Islamic world, reached Europe in the latter part of the 14th century. A few decades later 22 picture cards were added as trumps to form a 78-card deck for the game of Tarocco -- still played in Italy, where it originated, and in other parts of central Europe. The symbolic pictures painted on these trumps -- the Emperor, the Fool, Death, the Wheel of Fortune -- were relatively common Renaissance images, with nothing particularly mysterious about them. In this regard one might compare the Tarot deck to the Biblia Pauperum, the so-called Bible of the Poor, in which stories from Scripture were reduced to simple pictures for the illiterate. By the mid-18th century Tarot cards had been virtually forgotten in France, where Tarocco never really caught on. But one fateful afternoon Court de Gebelin, an antiquarian obsessed with the hermetic mysteries of ancient Egypt, happened into the salon of a countess who was playing a game of cards. To her guest she proceeded to point out "the most bizarre, the most extravagant figures" painted on the trumps -- and Gebelin was, like the Tower, struck by lightning, albeit of inspiration. These cards, he knew, must certainly be Egyptian in origin and their allegorical significance far richer than anybody suspected. Gebelin related his discovery -- really his intuitions -- as a section of his multivolume Le Monde Primitif (The Primitive World, by which he actually meant a lost Golden Age) and before long the Tarot craze was launched. In his essay Gebelin casually alludes to the Hebrew alphabet and the Gypsies; later thinkers will elaborate on these notions. But first Egypt must have her day. In 1775 there appears Etteilla, or a Way of Entertaining Oneself with a Pack of Cards. Written under a pen name by print-dealer Jean- Baptiste Alliette, this book takes the cards and builds pyramids in the air with them: Etteilla claims the Tarot was "devised by 17 magi, presided over by Hermes Trismegistus in the 171st year after the Flood," thatis, roughly 4, 000 years ago. Before long Etteilla begins to "rectify" the deck we know as the Tarot de Marseille in order to bring the imagery more into line with his particular theories. In the years to come the exact order of the major arcana will develop into a philosophic question of cosmic importance and complexity, especially with regard to the position of the Fool, the only unnumbered card. From here A Wicked Pack of Cards devotes chapters to subsequent interpreters of the Tarot: Mlle. LeNormand and Paul Christian (both of whom promulgated the spooky story of the Little Red Man -- a diabolic confidant of royalty and the source of the cataclysms befalling Revolutionary and Napoleonic France); Jean-Alexandre Vaillant, an expert on both Romania and Romany who wrote a deranged, dithyrambic prose rife with alliteration and internal rhymes (he believed that Jesus Christ was actually an Indian mythical figure named Isa Chris'ten); Gerard Encausse, known as Papus, who penned the famous Tarot of the Bohemians (i.e., the Gypsies); Stanislas de Guaita who lived liked one of Baudelaire's damned souls and was accused by the novelist J.K. Huysmans of using supernatural means to kill a rival magus. Still, Alphonse-Louis Constant (1810-1875), better known as Eliphas Levi, stands as the crucial figure, one whose "work formed the narrow channel through which the whole Western tradition of magic flowed to the modern era." Trained for the priesthood, in his youth he proclaimed that Christ's thought could be summarized as "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity." Later, he fell into an affair with a schoolmistress, then ran off with her young pupil, by both of whom he had a child. In his early secular career, Levi illustrated The Count of Monte Cristo, became friends with Dumas pere and Balzac, and even traveled to England where he grew close to Edward Bulwer Lytton, who shared his growing interest in the occult (think of that novelist's influential Zanoni and A Strange Story). In the early 1850s Levi became truly obsessed with esoteric wisdom and, being a quick study, was able to produce his first major work, Doctrine and Ritual of High Magic, wherein he suggested the existence of astral light permeating the universe as its great unifying agent. He later went on to write a monumental History of Magic, one supported on the triple pillars of alchemy, Cabala, and the Tarot. DECKER, Depaulis and Dummett rather respect Levi, mainly because he appears to believe sincerely in his high magic and the need for self-mastery as a means to mastering the universe. His contemporary, Paul Christian, however, is shown to be a liar and charlatan, who subtly tries to give the Tarot a pedigree by compiling a history of the occult that touches on certain ancient ritual images, found deep inside a pyramid, that one reaches by descending exactly 78 steps, etc. (Christian's ploy here is that his book never suggests that its author has so much as heard of Tarot cards: He's just relating ancient history.) Levaillant, the Gypsy fanatic, they judge to be half crazy in his beliefs (as well as his prose style). The authors persuasively conclude that there is "no real evidence of Gypsies telling fortunes with Tarot cards, or indeed with playing cards of any kind, before the 20th century." Fans of the Tarot will hardly welcome such debunking scholarship, preferring the smoke-rings of romantic legend. Recently I visited the book department of a Tower Records store and counted nearly 50 titles devoted to the Tarot (as well as two dozen sets of cards, including the classic Tarot de Marseille known to Gebelin and the Egyptian deck supposedly designed by Etteilla). These days the Tarot seems to be employed mainly as a means for self-understanding and personal growth. As usual the cards give back what is put into them: During the 18th century they were symbols of forgotten wisdom, in the 19th instruments of divination and emblems of high magic. Early in this century Jesse L. Weston linked the major arcana to the Grail legend and to contemporary anthropology a la Frazer; today they reflect the current fashion for Jungian archetypes, goddess worship, Joseph Campbellian mythology, and multiculturalism. To read the cards, we know, is to construct stories from them -- as does Italo Calvino in his brilliant The Castle of Crossed Destinies. Writers as various as Charles Williams (The Greater Trumps), William Kotzwinkle (Fata Morgana) and Ian Fleming (Live and Let Die) have used the Tarot in their fiction. A noted Tarot expert and science fiction author, Rachel Pollack, recently compiled a collection of Tarot Tales. The cards possess their fictive power still. But what of the future? I noticed that you can now buy a CD -- ROM called Cyber Tarot. Doubtless this too, like all else, was foreseen by Hermes Trismegistus. -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Hiya:05Nov94 Origin: ----------> Jack Sargeant, you look fabulist! -!- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 ! Origin: MoonDog BBS þ RIME NetHub Brooklyn,NY (1:278/15) ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Dissent: Polit/X-Writing-Philosophy (612)432-8870 (13:612/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Devious To: Sandman Subject: Re: Tarot Date: Tue Jun 17 13:29:22 CDT 1997 Message number: 22 Reply to message number: unavailable S> While searching for another text file (in my archives) I came across a S> file on tarot. Hey, if you are interested, I have over 500+ files for download on my board of occultism and magick and such ... just thought I'd let you know .. Time to make a few comments on that text ya uploaded ... Nevermind.. I found it quite interesting .. Thanks for uploading that . Hmm.. The Tarot ... In what ways can you incorporate Astrological Signs into the tarot? On iRC we were talking in DALNET #PAGAN_WAY and we could not figure it out Though, we came to the conclusion that you cannot incorporate the signs into the tarot in anways.. Someone from Iowa (SilverCat) had brought up plenty of information and we will be welcoming him into PaganNet within the next few weeks. He has to get his board setup but if you have ANY QUESTIONS on astrology (spiritual ways of studying space) or astronomy (the more realistic way, or something .. Cannot recall what he told me. ..) he will be the guy to ask. Wow, it was nice .. He was telling us the information about the planet that could be seen like everyday (in the morning) down in the southern part or something ... He knew right on when someone asked a question ... So give him some respect ... =) Well, so ... Sandman, do you read tarot or did you just find this area interesting to upload that file? heh. I bet I have it around here somewhere.. but it stands quite well enough being on the net.. thanks. Blessed Be! -Devious --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Path Is Chosen - Inner Sanctum! [612] 552-8169 (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Devious To: All Subject: Another Text Date: Tue Jun 17 13:51:52 CDT 1997 Message number: 23 Reply to message number: unavailable Hey Sandman ... This has to deal with part of what you uploaded... Taro.txt on my board if you wish for a copy .... CONCERNING THE DIVINE SCIENCE OF TAROT Issued by the Thelemic Order and Temple of the Golden Dawn (Novus Ordo Aureae Aurora) October, 1990 e.v. In Association with New Falcon Publications and the Israel Regardie Foundation, Inc. By Sir David Cherubim (Frater Superior Chief) Copyright (C) 1990 e.v. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. The origin of the Tarot is unknown. It is often associated with the Ancient Egyptian Mysteries and is said to be a development therefrom. The oldest Tarot cards known today were prepared in 1392 for King Charles VI of France by Jacques Gringonneur, painter, astrologer and qabalist. In England the Tarot was known in the reign of Edward IV during the fifteenth century. The Gypsies say that the secret knowledge of the Tarot was originally brought by their people from Chaldea and Egypt into Israel and thence to Greece. In the Middle Ages the Tarot cards were much used for fortune telling, especially by the Gypsies. According to a famous tradition, the Tarot was created in the year 1200 A.D. This tradition states that the creators of the Tarot were a group of enlightened Adepts who met in the city of Fez which, after the great Library at Alexandria was destroyed, became the intellectual capital of the world to which came wise men of all nations, speaking various tongues. Their meetings were made difficult due to the differences in their languages and philosophical terminology. So they decided to contain the most important of their teachings in a book made of universal symbols, based on the data of the Holy Qabalah. Court de Gebelin of the eighteenth century was the first to make the curious suggestion that the Tarot might be of Egyptian origin. The "Marseilles Deck" originated from the Tarot cards depicted in Gebelin's book called, "Le Monde Primitif," published in the year 1773. Tradition states that Thoth or Tahuti, the Egyptian God of Magick, was the inventor of Tarot. Thoth is the Egyptian equivalent of the Greek god Hermes and the Roman Mercury. He is the inventor of all sciences, arts and mysteries. Thoth-Hermes-Mercury represents the Universal Mind, the true and living source of all the arcane methods of understanding and utilizing the forces of Nature and the Universe. The twenty-two Major Arcana cards of Tarot are called the Atu of Thoth, that is, the Abodes or Keys of Thoth. The Tarot is the Temple of the God Thoth or the Universal Mind, wherein Thoth speaks to the initiate. Symbols are the language of the Universal Mind. By the use of occult symbols the initiate can make inner contact with the Universal Mind and expand upon his knowledge of the Universe. The Tarot is the Hermetic Book of the Dead, with Thoth-Hermes- Mercury as its sole guide. By proper occult use of the Tarot, we can indeed pass through the various portals of the underworld to achieve the sublime life of immortality. The underworld is simply the subconscious mind within. Thoth-Hermes-Mercury is the Superconscious Mind which guides the soul through the various portals within and leads the soul to the sublime heights of Universal Light and Immortality. It has been suggested that the word Tarot is derived from the Egyptian terms Tar ( = Way or Road) and Ro ( = King or Royal). Thus the Tarot is the Royal Road or Way of the King. It has further been suggested that the word Tarot is derived from the Latin term Rota ( = Wheel), which is the source of the word Rotation. The Tarot is the Rotating Wheel of Universal Forces. It is the Wheel of Life (see example of Wheel on Fortune Atu of Tarot, Number X). The twenty-two Major Arcana (Major Secrets) of Tarot are the twenty-two Universal Forces represented by the twenty-two Hebrew letters and the twenty-two Paths of the Qabalistic Tree of Life. Eliphas Levi of the nineteenth century was the first to make a connection between the twenty-two Major Arcana Cards with the twenty-two letters of the Hebrew or Angelic Alphabet. The Major Arcana or Atus of Thoth are also symbolized by the Ten Sephiroth of the Tree of Life and the Twelve Astrological Signs. Twenty-two in Occult Mathematics is the number of the Circle. The Circle represents a complete manifestation and cycle of universal forces. The Circle is a symbol of the Whole Universe. There are twenty-two essential forces which constitute this Universe, which we may define as being the real elements of our conscious and subconscious lives. The Major Arcana are symbols of these real elements which we may use to penetrate the Veil of Isis, to partake of the Supreme Sacrament of Eternal Wisdom. The following is a listing of the Ten Sephiroth and their corresponding Tarot Trumps: Kether is the Fool; Chokmah is the Magus; Binah is the Priestess; Chesed is Fortune (or Wheel of Fortune); Geburah is the Tower; Tiphareth is the Sun; Netzach is the Empress; Hod is the Aeon (or Judgement); Yesod is the Hanged Man; Malkuth is the Universe (or the World). The following is a listing of the Twelve Astrological Signs and their corresponding Tarot Trumps: Aries is the Emperor; Taurus is the Hierophant; Gemini is the Lovers; Cancer is the Chariot; Leo is Lust (or Strength); Virgo is the Hermit; Libra is Adjustment (or Justice); Scorpio is Death; Sagittarius is Art (or Temperance); Capricorn is the Devil; Aquarius is the Star; and Pisces is the Moon. The Tarot is a book of Ageless Wisdom. In its symbolism can be discovered the inner mysteries of all things, the living facts of all that ever was, is, and shall be. By proper meditation on the Tarot, we can extend our vision of the Universe and begin to perceive new dimensions of thought and reality. We can begin to see the real and essential nature of things, hidden beyond the veils of matter. The Tarot can be applied to all conditions in life. It is a most practical means to achieving the practical life of wisdom and understanding. The Tarot can be used to produce more exalted states of conscious awareness. It is a scientific means of achieving spiritual, mental and physical expansion, for greater realization and knowledge in Light. The Tarot, like all true systems of inner initiation, is entirely a system of Self-Initiation. It is designed to induce in the aspirant certain definite states of consciousness which lead to greater self-awareness. It is for reason of the aspirant that the Tarot is in existence, and it is up to him to use it for the august development of his own self-expansion. The aspirant uses the Tarot to initiate himself into the Inner Mysteries of the Ageless Wisdom. They are keys to the Inner Sanctuary of the Universal Knowledge. The Tarot is designed in such a manner to allow the aspirant to travel a Royal Road to the Divine Wisdom. In this case, there are twenty-two steps symbolized by the twenty-two Atu of Thoth. Each Atu is experienced in consciousness and absorbed into the very fibre of one's being. By this process the aspirant consciously experiences unity with each of the twenty-two forces symbolized by the twenty-two Atus of Thoth, and he inevitably attains the goal of the divine life, which is symbolized by the Crown of Light, in the highest sphere of the Universal Mind. In Tarot, Wands represent Fire, Cups represent Water, Swords represent Air, and Pentacles represent Earth. The Minor Arcana cards which portray these elements represent those elements in various modes of expression. The Major Arcana cards represent the inner mysteries of the so-called element of Spirit. The former correspond with the four letters of the Holy Tetragrammaton, the four Kerubim, the four quarters, and the four seasons. The latter corresponds with the Hebrew Letter Shin, which represents the element of Spirit. The Four Face Cards or Court Cards (Figures of Nobility) also correspond with the Holy Tetragrammaton (IHVH) and the four Magical Elements. The Knight (or King) is Yod and Fire, the Queen is Heh and Water, the Prince is Vav and Air, and the Princess is Heh final and Earth. These represent a family of forces symbolized by Father, Mother, Son and Daughter. Now observe that 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 = 10 = the Ten Sephiroth on the Qabalistic Tree of Life = The Principal Forces of the Universe. Tora, Rota, Troa and Taro have four letters each. Four is the number of the Tetragrammaton, and ten is the number of its mystic extension represented by the Ten Sephiroth on the Tree of Life. In Atu X is contained and written all the mysteries of Tarot (Taro), that is, all the wisdom of the Sephiroth of the Holy Tree of Eternal Knowledge. Proper and persistent meditation on this Atu of Thoth will yield infinite fruits of wisdom and knowledge, for in it are the keys to the attainment of the Universal Mind. The Major Arcana of Tarot can be used in such a form so as to elucidate upon Qabalistic Mysteries. For example, let us consider the Hebrew letter Shin. This letter is composed of three Hebrew Vavs, so that its true number is 666, which is the most sacred number of Our Lord the Sun. In magick it is the sacred letter of the God Set. Now translated qabalistically, the number 666 is Mem, Samech and Vav. The particular Tarot Atus of Thoth which correspond with these particular Hebrew letters are the Hanged Man, Art and the Hierophant. The numbers of these particular Tarot Atus of Thoth are 12 (Hanged Man), 14 (Art), and 5 (Hierophant). Now 12 + 14 + 5 = 31, the number of the God AL. Therefore in the letter Shin, according to this Tarot scheme, is concealed the God AL. 31 is also the number of LA, a Hebrew word meaning "Not." In the Science of the Qabalah, there is a system called Gematria which states that any two words having the same numerical value are descriptions of each other or of a single idea. AL (All) is LA (Nothing) and LA (Nothing) is AL (All). AL and LA are key words of Liber Legis (The Book of the Law), and have much importance for students of Thelema. 31 is the key number of Liber Legis. Shin, which is the letter of Path 31 on the Tree of Life, is the letter of the New Aeon. ..... continued on next message ..... --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Path Is Chosen - Inner Sanctum! [612] 552-8169 (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Devious To: All Subject: ..part 2.. of last message Date: Tue Jun 17 13:51:53 CDT 1997 Message number: 24 Reply to message number: unavailable ........................ continued from last post ........................ Also observe that Set in Hebrew is spelled Shin-Teth. Now the Atu of Thoth which corresponds with the letter Shin is The Aeon and the Atu of Thoth which corresponds with Teth is Lust. The number of The Aeon is 20 and the number of Lust is 11. 20 + 11 = 31. So by our Holy Qabalah, Set and AL are descriptions of a single force. The Tarot once again shines its sublime light on the Mysteries! It is most remarkable in its wondrous powers to illumine the minds of the initiates. The initiate can apply the Major Arcana of Tarot in innumerable ways to attain innumerable insights into the infinite Mysteries of the Qabalah. Eliphas Levi, that Old French Magus, said the following sublime and revealing words concerning the Divine Science of Tarot: "The Tarot is a veritable oracle, and replies to all possible questions with precision and infallibility. A prisoner, with no other book than the Tarot, if he knew how to use it, could in a few years acquire a universal science, and would be able to speak on all subjects with unequalled learning and inexhaustible eloquence. The oracles of the Tarot give answers as exact as mathematics, and as measured as the harmonies of Nature. By the aid of these signs and their infinite combinations, it is possible to arrive at the natural and mathematical revelation of all secrets of Nature. The practical value of the Tarot is truly and above all marvelous." "The Tarot is a truly philosophical machine which prevents the mind from going astray, even while leaving it its own initiative and freedom; it is mathematics in their application to the absolute, the alliance of the real and the ideal, a lottery of thoughts, all of which are rigorously exact, like numbers; in fine, it is perhaps at once the simplest and grandest thing ever conceived by human genius." "All secrets of the Qabalah and Magic, all mysteries of the elder world, all sciences of the patriarchs, all historical traditions of primeval times, are enclosed in the Hieroglyphical Book of Thoth." "Without the Tarot, the Magic of the ancients is a closed book, and it is impossible to penetrate any of the great mysteries of the Qabalah." As you can see, the Tarot is no deck of fun, designed for the use of games or gambling. It is rather one of the most remarkable and effective scientific methods of initiating oneself into the Supreme Knowledge of the Gods, and inevitably leads one to the gates of the Holy Sanctuary of Eternal Wisdom, where man becomes immortalized in his soul. The Tarot is a highly scientific, philosophical and psychological tool. It is designed for the initiation of mankind, and its mysteries are eternal in the Light of the Golden Dawn, in that Sublime Splendour wherein all initiates partake of the Supreme Sacrament of the Eternal Spirit. Love is the law, love under will. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Path Is Chosen - Inner Sanctum! [612] 552-8169 (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: COSIMA To: Devious Subject: Re: ... Date: Tue Jun 17 16:46:06 CDT 1997 Message number: 25 Reply to message number: 20 D> how do you do it? D> D> Hey ... To make it so they understand what you are mentioning that about .. D> press "/q" to quote in the message editor. It makes it easier for them to D> respond ... =) D> D> --- GEcho 1.00 D> * Origin: The Path Is Chosen - Inner Sanctum! [612] 552-8169 (13:612/0) * or she might get a helluva difference answer than she was hoping for ;) -=c=- --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Dissent: Polit/X-Writing-Philosophy (612)432-8870 (13:612/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Devious To: Cosima Subject: Re: ... Date: Tue Jun 17 17:24:39 CDT 1997 Message number: 26 Reply to message number: unavailable C> or she might get a helluva difference answer than she was hoping for ;) You got that right .... hmm... Teebo, got to admit, we are finally picking up... hehe. I am finally getting wiccans and pagans to associate with my board. And your end, I sure like Sandman and *c* ... they rule! hmm.. ps.. You are allowed slightly off topic in PaganNet as you can tell! :) hehe --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Path Is Chosen - Inner Sanctum! [612] 552-8169 (13:612/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: COSIMA To: Devious Subject: Re: ... Date: Wed Jun 25 17:13:11 CDT 1997 Message number: 27 Reply to message number: 26 D> board. And your end, I sure like Sandman and *c* ... they rule! hmm.. * well thanks. course, i'm thinking you're talking about me...and all of a sudden i realize you might not be...oh well. i guess i'll just delude myself into thinking that it's a compliment, no matter what. i'm finding the pagannet stuff interesting. glad you got yr net over here. -=c=- --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Dissent: Polit/X-Writing-Philosophy (612)432-8870 (13:612/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DEVIOUS To: Cosima Subject: Re: ... Date: Wed Jun 25 19:05:10 CDT 1997 Message number: 28 Reply to message number: 27 C> well thanks. course, i'm thinking you're talking about me...and all of a C> sudden i realize you might not be...oh well. i guess i'll just delude myself C> into thinking that it's a compliment, no matter what. I was talking about you. so you are correct. Ugh, I am sure typing badly today, with no typos but no speed whatsoever =(. Blessings *C* =) C> i'm finding the pagannet stuff interesting. glad you got yr net over here. My net sucks! :). I think it has died since I had accidently fdisked my HD. But Teebo, don't remove nothing JUST YET! Well, not until we receive all podnet stuff =) Well, you know what, I may bring Teebo a MUCH larger net ... PODnet, which currently has 500+ computers. Pagan/Occult distribution network. I am to be the `hub' for the network in 612. You can find it on PEACE LAMP BBS now.. --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Dissent: Polit/X-Writing-Philosophy (612)432-8870 (13:612/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SANDMAN To: DEVIOUS Subject: Re: Tarot Date: Thu Jun 26 20:09:36 CDT 1997 Message number: 29 Reply to message number: unavailable -=> Quoting Devious to Sandman <=- S> While searching for another text file (in my archives) I came across a S> file on tarot. De> Nevermind.. I found it quite interesting .. Thanks for uploading De> that . Hmm.. The Tarot ... In what ways can you incorporate De> Astrological Signs into the tarot? Hey NOW!, I just reposted it. I know nothing about Tarot or astrology. De> Well, so ... Sandman, do you read tarot or did you just find this De> area interesting to upload that file? heh. I bet I have it around De> here somewhere.. but it stands quite well enough being on the net.. De> thanks. I'll post more interesting files when I find. I may not know anything about the subject matter but that has never stopped me before. ... Grey: (n.) an alien lifeform traveling light-years to molest cattle. ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Dissent: Polit/X-Writing-Philosophy (612)432-8870 (13:612/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DEVIOUS To: Sandman Subject: Re: Tarot Date: Fri Jun 27 12:34:46 CDT 1997 Message number: 30 Reply to message number: 29 S> Hey NOW!, I just reposted it. I know nothing about Tarot or S> astrology. =)! Well, you will learn! :) ehehehe =) S> I'll post more interesting files when I find. I may not know S> anything about the subject matter but that has never stopped me S> before. heheh =) Alright, I lost my collection of over 1000+ files =(.. --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Dissent: Polit/X-Writing-Philosophy (612)432-8870 (13:612/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Devious Subject: Re: ... Date: Sun Jun 29 06:22:27 CDT 1997 Message number: 31 Reply to message number: 13 D> Thanx for the input... =) I appreciate that.. Daedalus, where ever did you D> become so smart? I read encyclopedias as a kid. Quit laughing, I'm serious! --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Dissent: Polit/X-Writing-Philosophy (612)432-8870 (13:612/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DEVIOUS To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: ... Date: Sun Jun 29 21:45:25 CDT 1997 Message number: 32 Reply to message number: 31 DR> I read encyclopedias as a kid. I dont! :) DR> Quit laughing, I'm serious! No! hahahahahahahahaha he read encycs as a kid, what a lozer! :) jk --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Dissent: Polit/X-Writing-Philosophy (612)432-8870 (13:612/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: COSIMA To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: ... Date: Mon Jun 30 19:42:06 CDT 1997 Message number: 33 Reply to message number: 31 DR> I read encyclopedias as a kid. DR> DR> Quit laughing, I'm serious! * jeez...me too. my favorite was 'ghosts to house plants.' -=c=- --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Dissent: Polit/X-Writing-Philosophy (612)432-8870 (13:612/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Devious Subject: Re: ... Date: Tue Jul 01 05:26:51 CDT 1997 Message number: 34 Reply to message number: 32 DR> Quit laughing, I'm serious! D> D> No! hahahahahahahahaha he read encycs as a kid, what a lozer! :) jk Watch it, or I'll tell everyone about your undercover work for the Jesuits. --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Dissent: Polit/X-Writing-Philosophy (612)432-8870 (13:612/2)